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7th Sep 2025

The Great Hoax: How Online Detectives Unraveled Russiagate with Hans Mahncke

Unraveling the Russiagate Hoax: A Deep Dive with Author Hans Mahcke

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In this episode of Voiceover Work, the host welcomes Hans Mahncke, author of the book 'Swift Boating America: Exposing the Russiagate Fraud from the Steele Dossier to the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation.' Mahncke shares his journey from being a law professor to diving deep into the Russiagate scandal. He discusses how a group of random internet users, including himself, debunked the Russiagate hoax, highlighting the involvement of high-level US officials like the FBI and CIA directors. The conversation covers the origins of the hoax, the role of various key figures, and the lasting implications on US politics and foreign relations. Manka also emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and verification of information amidst widespread media narratives.

00:00 The Unbelievable Hoax: A Historical Effort

00:58 Introduction to the Author and His Journey

01:40 From Law to Investigative Reporting

02:50 The Steele Dossier: A Laughable Document

04:23 Uncovering the Truth: The Group Effort

06:53 Key Figures in the Investigation

07:25 The Role of Steve McIntyre

10:06 Identifying the Primary Subsource

12:09 The Cast of Characters: From Influential to Innocent

21:31 The Layers of Deception

23:52 Media Manipulation and Selective Reporting

24:41 The Russian Hacking Narrative

25:29 Doubts and Lack of Evidence

25:59 The 2016 Election Context

26:38 The Role of Putin and Moscow

28:54 Ongoing Legal Battles and Accountability

32:41 Skepticism and Public Perception

32:59 Challenges and Pushbacks

36:17 The Swift Boating Allegations

39:51 Calls to Action and Final Thoughts

Transcript
Hans:

it was a very unique effort, I think in, in, in history really, where a

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whole bunch of random people online got

together and debunked this entire hoax.

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there's hundreds and hundreds

of new pages of stuff which.

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Absolutely unambiguously shows that US

government people, high level officials,

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including the FBI director and the CIA

director were involved in this plot, in,

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in advancing this plot against Trump.

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I couldn't believe it.

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I simply could not believe.

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That's something so obviously false,

so totally laughable, had become this

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ginormous thing, which kind of completely

consumed the presidency and unfortunately

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Russell Newton: Yep.

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Hans: diplomacy and foreign

relations, and it really derailed

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the country in a horrible way.

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Russell Newton: Hello listeners

and welcome back to Voiceover

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Work and Audiobook Sampler.

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Where do you listen today?

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I'm excited and to be honest, a

little bit nervous to have with

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this, uh, author Hans Manka, who has,

uh, written the book, swift Boating

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America exposing the Russiagate Fraud

from the Steele Dossier to the FBI's

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Crossfire Hurricane Investigation.

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a fantastic book.

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Just released, within the last

few months, the audio book just

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released within the last week or so.

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As I look at the dates there,

Hans, you're more than an author.

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why don't you take a few minutes,

introduce yourself, to the listeners, and

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we'll take the conversation from there.

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Hans: Yeah.

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Hi everyone.

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And thanks for that, very kind intro.

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Yeah.

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As you say, I'm, I

guess I'm an author now.

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I used to be.

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But in a different capacity.

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so my background's in law, so

I've done law pretty much my whole

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adult life in some form or another.

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Both university, law firms,

arbitration a different kind of law.

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all the whole spectrum.

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And, it was, probably around 2017, that I

got immersed into this Russiagate thing.

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I was a.

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A full-time law professor at the time,

I had, no, nothing to do with any of

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this stuff, nothing to do with politics,

nothing, just completely doing my thing.

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And, it just, it just was think

we all remember probably when

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that steel dossier came out.

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Russell Newton: sorry for

the interruption there.

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we'll do some editing on that, listeners,

but, we lost some audio for a second.

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Hans, you were in the middle of your,

Leaving from, the law, profession,

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moving into full-time, reporting

really on, on, Russiagate and I guess

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starting there with the, with what

lured you, what interested you in, in

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investigating this and how that proceeded?

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Hans: Like many, I obviously

was fascinated by Trump's win in

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2016, but that, Russiagate was

like far away on the horizon.

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There had been some news reports

here and there, barely noticed about

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something to do with Russia and you, I

wasn't really paying attention and then.

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In early January of 2017, of course,

they, they published a dossier or a

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company called Buzzfeed, published

a dossier, which was supposedly

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the linchpin of the whole thing.

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Trump being a Russian agent.

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I remember I looked at this

thing and I fell off my chair.

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That's how laughable it was.

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it was like as if some

child had written it.

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just on page one, it starts off,

has been, Putin has been, recruiting

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Trump for the past five years

later, it changes to eight years.

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And it's what?

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This is, this guy was a TV celebrity.

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He was a, he has his real estate company.

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What's it got to do with Putin?

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And then it says, it talks about Michelle

Obama that again on the first or second

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page, and it says, Trump hates her.

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And I'm like, eh, that, that's child talk.

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what on earth?

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And so the whole thing

was a complete joke.

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And yet.

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The joke grew bigger and all the media

and everyone was running with it, and

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then they had the special counsel.

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And, I tell that story in, in my book,

but as to, all the things that happened.

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But just going back to what my

own frame of mind was at the

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time, I couldn't believe it.

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I simply could not believe.

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That's something so obviously false,

so totally laughable, had become this

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ginormous thing, which kind of completely

consumed the presidency and unfortunately

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Russell Newton: Yep.

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Hans: diplomacy and foreign

relations, and it really derailed

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the country in a horrible way.

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bit by bit, if there was any kind of

evidence that came out in terms of court

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documents or, messages that were released

under freedom of information laws or

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anything like that, I would jump on that

and start trying to piece apart the lie,

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because at some point I realized they,

they're gonna just keep running with it

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unless we totally debunk this whole thing.

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And eventually we got there and the

book essentially tells that story.

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the perspective of just random

people on the internet who just got

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together, people who never knew each

other, many of them still don't know

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each other in terms of personally

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Russell Newton: Not really.

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Hans: like that.

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it was a very unique effort, I think

in, in, in history really, where a

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whole bunch of random people online got

together and debunked this entire hoax.

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Russell Newton: And the, the,

as you say, the book does tell

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the story and tells it extremely

well, it's very captivating book.

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it's frustrating.

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It's, it's, It just, it really, it,

it kind of makes you mad the way

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things came about and how things

were allowed, or even beyond that

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things were designed to make happen.

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tell us about some of the people

you worked with, because I know they

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had huge parts in discovering names.

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Go crawling social media sites,

taking little clues and redacted

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transcripts, and finding information

really, fascinating ways.

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So some, some intelligent and

resourceful people that you worked

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with in developing part of the story.

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Hans: Absolutely, hugely

resourceful people.

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And, it's just fascinating

even just thinking back about

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how, it all came together and.

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I should start off with some

of these recent revelations,

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which aren't really revelations.

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So the Trump administration, Trump 2.0

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has, released a lot of this

underlying stuff in terms of

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documentation of this hoax.

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And, Howard was perpetrated by James

Comey, the FBI Director John Brennan, the

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CIA director, and all that kind of stuff.

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And the thing, it's partly nice

that it's out there, but it's

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also partly frustrating because.

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We had unearthed all this ourselves

in one way or another over time.

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So it's weird just seeing the

government has now confirmed that

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everything that we already knew.

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Now, unfortunately, some people, go

around, claiming, that they discovered

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this or that, and they're like the person

who's behind it all day exposed it and

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so on, and, That's really not true.

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and it, I, okay, you always have

these kinds of people, but what annoys

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me about it is be, is that this was

uniquely different in that you didn't

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have a, a Woodward and Bernstein.

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it was like everyone was

a Woodward and Bernstein.

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that's the truth of it.

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That's what really happened here.

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And, so for instance,

we had, Steve McIntyre.

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So I'm, I didn't know Steve before

I had heard his name before.

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and we've become very good friends since.

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And how did that happen?

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Steve is a Canadian mining executive.

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he is got, again, nothing to do with

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Russell Newton: Nothing.

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Hans: this kind stuff,

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Russell Newton: Right.

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Hans: he had some experience with hoaxes

and, his story is a fascinating story in

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and of itself, but, many years ago, 20 or

so years ago, he got a leaflet from the

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government, with the hockey stick on it,

the ca the climate hoax, hockey stick.

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And, being trained, having been

trained in math and that kinda stuff,

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he was like, something's not right.

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So then he dug into where did

that hockey stick come from?

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And he found out this and that

university, this and that study.

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And then he just started asking

for the data because he wanted

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to do the math on it on his own.

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then everyone shut their doors

and they put up their walls and

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said, no, you can't have the data.

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And then the whole thing

escalated and escalated.

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And eventually he actually got some,

very incriminating emails on his blog.

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To this day, he doesn't

know where they came from.

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Someone posted in there that

totally exposed the climate hook.

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I know I'm digressing.

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What I'm trying to say is

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Russell Newton: No, not at all.

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Hans: you had this guy who was already

famous in his own right, in that sphere

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for having debunked the, the climate hoax.

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And by the way, he did that

before these, things were sent

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on his, or posted to his blog.

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So he had, published a paper, I think

in:

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whole thing, the whole hockey stick.

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So that's him.

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That's the guy.

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Russell Newton: Wow.

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Okay.

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Hans: familiar with the

name, but that was it.

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And then I saw on Twitter that this

guy was asking some of the similar

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questions, or in fact, some of the

same questions I was asking in terms

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of Russiagate many years later.

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So 20 17, 18.

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I just reached out to him.

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I had no idea he'd reply or whatever.

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You just try your luck.

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and he replied.

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And as it so happens, I was teaching,

very near to where he lives.

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it was just total coincidence.

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And I think it was the next

day or so we, we met in person,

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Russell Newton: Wow.

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Hans: we probably spent five hours or so.

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Just talking about Russiagate.

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It was the, probably the first

time I'd actually talked to a real

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human being in person about it

before that was just online and

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things just took off from there.

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And, so as as I described in the

book, Steve is a very important part

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of this, but there's many others too.

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there's one guy called,

going by a fool, Nelson.

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he's a guy who is.

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Extremely, intuitive in

figuring these things out.

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Like for instance, you have these

redactions, so you get the gov, the

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government gives you these documents, and

then half of the stuff is just redacted,

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so you don't actually know what it says.

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He just has this knack for.

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figuring out things and then seeing

the bigger picture, and then being

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able to connect all these dots.

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he'd be like an amazing,

detective investigator.

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if that was his day job,

which, I can say it is not.

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another guy goes by the

name of Walker Fire.

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again,

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Russell Newton: a fire.

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Hans: hugely intuitive, but

also just hugely brilliant.

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for instance, with these redactions.

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He can tell you how many letters

are behind there, or if redact it

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a hundred percent properly, like a

little bit of ink is sticking out

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at the top on the side or wherever.

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He'll tell you that's

an H and s or whatever.

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I will, I confess, I can't do that.

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But, everyone brought,

amazing talents, to the table.

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it was really a group effort and probably

the most important thing the group did

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was identify the so so-called main source,

or whom they call primary Subsource.

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the guy responsible for everything

like the Trumpy tapes and the

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fact that Trump and Putin had this

collaboration or collusion, the

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fact that they had this, secret

communications channel, the fact that

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they've been colluding for eight years.

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every single story that you can.

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Think of in terms of Russiagate,

it all traces back to this one guy.

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But the FBI was hiding him.

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The US government was hiding him.

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The obviously the Clinton

people who had come up with

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the hoax that were hiding him.

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Everyone was hiding him.

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And we as a group said, no, we're

gonna try and find this guy.

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We're gonna try find out anything we can.

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We got bits of, data from people's books.

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So some people would write a book on

the government side, to make money.

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some people on the Clinton

campaign wrote books.

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Bits and pieces came out of that.

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There were some, people, who, in

government who were trying to get

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things out, like text messages

or whatever, and it, it was just.

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tiny pieces of data.

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the whole story is told in the books.

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I'm not gonna, get into

too much detail here.

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But eventually, also with

the help of another guy goes

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by not me, some other guy.

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I don't actually know his real name.

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but he's a good guy, talk

many times and so on.

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he we had all these puzzle pieces and

then, so this guy comes up and says, yep.

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that's, that must be him.

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And he, I explained in the book how

that happened, how he figured out

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that this Super Source was a guy

called Igor Dan Chenko, a Russian guy

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who didn't live in Russia and had no

access to any of this information.

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And, had just made everything up.

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And as soon as we realized who this guy

was and the fact that he had no access

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to any information and he was just a

joker really, it was very eye-opening.

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And I have to say by that point.

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Our eyes were already wide open, but

still, it was just how can you run

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such a massive hoax that goes on for so

long that sabotages diplomacy, foreign

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relations, US politics in general

completely, eaten up by this hoax.

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it all traces back to someone

who knew nothing about anything.

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And anyway, identifying that guy, finding

out his name, that's what our group did.

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And, I did many others I could name,

but, those are some, off the top

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of my head who were part of that.

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Russell Newton: Yes.

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Thank you for that.

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it's interesting in the book, the cast

of characters that are included in this

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book everywhere from some of the most

intelligent and influential people in

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the world, to some of the more scheming.

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people that are maybe kind of in the

middle of it, that were looking for

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ways to, to accomplish something, but

really even down to kind of innocent

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bystanders who got named as being part

or, and I forgot the name of, there's a

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Russian female that was referenced as a.

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A girlfriend of somebody and she

supposedly then had great Putin insights

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and a lot of these people that were

reportedly had Russian and Putin

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information that ever lived in Russia,

were nowhere near Moscow, had no political

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influences, so people getting dragged

in that really had nothing to do with

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it except for a Russian sounding name,

and, and probably spoke Russian, maybe

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maybe traveled to Russia a time or two.

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Hans: Yeah, that's right.

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Olga, Poland Sky is just a.

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Russell Newton: you.

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Hans: student in London and

just got dragged into it.

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the most egregious example is

probably that of Sergei Milian.

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Russell Newton: Hmm.

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Hans: he has nothing to do with Russia.

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He's from Belarus, but he came to, the US

in, when he was, in his early twenties, or

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late teens, something like that, to study.

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he became an American.

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This was all a long time ago.

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And, he built a business, a successful

business, a real estate business.

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And, he was doing very well.

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But his Achilles heel, not his fault in

any way is, was his success because he

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had one sold Trump apartments in, Fort

Lauderdale, or near Fort Lauderdale.

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And, He because of that, there

were photos of him with Trump.

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of course, if you're a

realtor and you are selling

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Russell Newton: Absolutely.

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Hans: you've shaken the guy's hand

and so on, it's, that's a cool thing.

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You want to advertise that fact.

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And, but unfortunately, they

turned that against him, by

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just, they just framed him.

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They just smeared him.

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They said, here we have a guy whom

we have photos with Trump of we,

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he has a Russian sounding name.

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He has a Russian sounding accent.

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He had something to do with Trump,

and we're just gonna say he's

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the source for all this stuff.

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And then they just made it up.

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They said he was so they that this

Igor Dan Chenko that we just talked

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about, he then claimed he had gotten

all his information from Serge Milian.

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Totally not true.

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Dan Chenko or the Clinton campaign

or whoever told 'em to make

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stuff up just made it all up.

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Everything was totally made up.

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But because they needed like a real human

being, being the source, they just picked

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out this poor guy, Sergey Milian, and

they said, They did it to others as well.

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there's another Russian

lady called Erlana Kova.

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They did it to her as well.

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But Milana always come back to,

because it's like the most extreme

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example you could ever think of.

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A guy who's just doing

his work as a realtor.

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It's got nothing to do with anything.

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Suddenly they say, you're the guy who

told us about, all this collusion.

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And you're the one who told us about,

Trump and, Putin having a secret

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communications channel, and you

told us about the P tape and so all

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the things that are under dossier

supposedly, go back to Serge million.

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Of course, none of them do.

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They were all just made up.

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Russell Newton: And

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it was, there's so many names and I, I.

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Obviously read the book.

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it's different, you know, when

you narrate a book, it's not like

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you're reading for comprehension.

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You can't go back and, you can,

but it really affects the process.

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You go back and say,

what was that paragraph?

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To make sure I have all the names right.

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So forgive me when I misquote or if

I have some of the details wrong.

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But, this, min, did he even meet with,

Dan Chenko or, or Steele or any of the

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appropriate people or was that was there

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Hans: didn't

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Russell Newton: Exactly.

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Thank you.

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Hans: He had no contact,

just nothing whatsoever.

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it's as if they just picked the guy

out of the phone book, and said,

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okay, he's gonna be our patsy.

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And they just ran with that.

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they.

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Russell Newton: really scary.

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Hans: It is now.

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In fact, the reason why we

were able to announce that it

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was Igor Dan Chenko for sure.

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Once we had put all these puzzle

pieces together, we still didn't want

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to go public unless we actually a

hundred percent knew, is we asked,

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Sergey Milian, Hey Sergei, have you

ever come across a guy called Igor?

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Dan Chenko was, no, never heard that name.

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then we asked him, and search your inbox.

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Just search all your

old emails or whatever.

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And he found some emails from 2016 where

this guy, Dan Chenko had, tried to set

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up a meeting and, He got a lot of emails.

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He just ignored it.

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In fact, he said in retrospect, there was

something in, in the, in, in the first

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email that just immediately stood out

as being just so wrong, so bad that he

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just completely, just totally ignored it.

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which was that?

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and Chenko asked him for, to meet, like

he just made up some pretense about we

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gotta discuss business and over a beer.

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And Sergei was like, no serious person.

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No person who's ever done actual

business deals is gonna cold call someone

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and say, Hey, let's go and meet for

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Russell Newton: Right.

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Hans: just doesn't happen.

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So Sergei, very astutely, just ignored it.

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Totally forgot about it.

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Even during the time when we were

trying to find Dan Chenko and even

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when he was being targeted and so on.

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It never occurred to him that this one

email out of, thousands was the guy that,

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that, this was the guy who framed him.

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he had no idea, but it was good for

us because, once we knew that this guy

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had sent him this unsolicited email,

we knew, okay, we got the name right.

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Russell Newton: Fascinating.

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And just to be clear for our listeners,

you have spoken of minion, you've

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spoken with a lot of the primary

characters in the book and the,

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you say you, you have his emails.

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I mean, you have like the source

emails, the original things.

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These are not, things that you.

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You know, have rumors about, but the

actual source verified, versions of all

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these conversations and the unanswered

emails and so forth, which I find, really

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quite a piece of investigative work.

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Hans: I think, I've written books

before, but they're all academic.

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So everything I've ever written, or.

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Written before this was academic.

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So of course you have to follow, a

certain convention, a certain procedure,

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so you have to footnote everything.

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you cannot say, you cannot make any

kind of factual claim of any kind

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without saying where it came from.

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it's, to, to just fiction authors

or even nonfiction authors

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who are not trained in that.

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They just, if it's a very obvious

fact, why would you wanna do that?

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Why would you wanna do that at all?

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it just seems so, so weird.

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But in a way it's how I of programmed.

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everything had to be footnoted,

everything had to be checked,

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everything had to be confirmed.

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And, we ended up with something like 650

or so, something like that, footnotes,

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which, at the time, and I have to say,

when I wrote it, this, we didn't know that

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President Trump was gonna get reelected.

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We didn't know that at

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Russell Newton: Right.

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Hans: the book came out in October.

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2024.

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it was partly intended as a, As as

memorializing what actually happened.

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So that, let's say it all goes bad.

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And, the, we never have this full

exposure that at least there is a record

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of what actually happened where people

in 20, 25 years or whatever from now

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can go back and say, Hey, There's this

document, everything is linked, and so

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on and so forth, and retrace our steps.

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now I guess we, that part is less

important because we have the government

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that recently came out with a lot of

this stuff and confirmed all this stuff.

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Russell Newton: And what you said

at the beginning of that answer,

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draws me back to something we spoke

about toward the top of the podcast.

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you say every writer should have that.

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as a part of their process, putting their

footnotes, documenting and, and proving,

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you know, with the source material.

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Of course not everybody does.

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Hans: Yeah, that's true.

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look, I don't think, I think

footnotes can be a distraction.

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I'm not, personally, I have to

admit, if I read a book, I'm

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not necessarily always looking

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Russell Newton: not cross

checking all those things.

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Yeah.

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Hans: For there not to

be any, that's fine.

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But a minimum, and this doesn't

really, as you say, doesn't

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really happen much anymore.

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a lot of stuff is accepted as

nonfiction when there's just simply

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no proof that it is nonfiction.

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a lot of these characters

like, the Steele Dossier.

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I don't even wanna call him originator,

the sort of, the guy who lent the,

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his name Christopher Steele to the

Steele Dossier, he wrote a book.

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it's just all made up stuff.

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And, all these other characters

even talked about how the Steele

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dossier, how that all came about.

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we talked about, we started at

the end of the chain with Milian,

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the fake source, and then the

next guy along was Igor Chenko.

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the Russian who supposedly.

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Got all this stuff out of Milian.

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And then the next one along was

Christopher Steele, who had been

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commissioned to write this thing.

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again, just all made up and then everyone

used the next guy along as their patsy.

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So Steele said, oh, I don't

know anything about anything

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because it's Chenko told me.

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And Chenko said, oh, I don't

know anything Milian told me.

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And then, one further up the

food chain from Steel was,

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a group called Fusion, GPS.

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these are political operatives in

Washington dc, former Wall Street Journal,

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journalists, and they wrote a book.

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And again, I'm like, no, I don't

believe anything you say because

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there are no primary sources here.

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Why should I believe what you say?

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And of course some of the

in, in government people like

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John Brennan wrote a book.

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James Comey wrote a book.

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James Comey wrote several books and

yeah, it is a problem when people

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write books and the, supposedly

these books are, nonfiction, but

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there's no way to prove that.

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And so in a way, you you do need

the footnotes unless you have,

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total trust in the author that

they're not gonna lie to you.

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Russell Newton: So you're

working your way up the chain

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from, minion, up to, steel who.

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Since he was a British, since he

worked for MI six, he's suddenly a

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James Bond figure, which that because

of its Hollywood esque sounding

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name, brings some credibility

to a lot of people, fusion GPS.

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And then once you get to

Fusion, you're real close to

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the, Clinton campaign itself.

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Is that correct?

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Hans: Yeah, but they,

there's still two layers.

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So then you have

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Russell Newton: Still two layers.

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Hans: called Perkins Coy, and a

lot of people have heard, of course

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about of, mark Elias, who was the

head honcho there at the time.

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And he had his sidekick, a guy

called Michael Sussman, and they

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were the Clinton campaign lawyers.

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But they were also in this law firm.

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so anything they did, they could just

claim legal privilege or we're not

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gonna give any information on anything.

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So when they hired, fusion GPS kinda

one further down on the food chain,

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They could just disavow because they

could just say, we're a law firm.

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and in fact they billed it as legal

services, which obviously it was not.

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And later on they were

fined many years later.

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But it's just like a sort

of a slap on the wrist.

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they had to pay a fine

for, mislabeling that item.

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And then one further up from law firm,

of course, is the Clinton campaign,

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but I'd say the Clinton campaign isn't.

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Hillary Clinton herself, yet

that's one further step because

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Russell Newton: Another step.

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Hans: these are just my campaign people.

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I don't know what they

were doing and so on.

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So I dunno, we, where are we?

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Like 7, 7, 8 levels

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Russell Newton: At least.

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Yeah.

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Hans: So that, that's why it's so hard

to get these people, get Hillary Clinton

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for what she did here because, as I

just said, everyone, she can claim eight

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layers of deniability further down.

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it's more difficult to do that.

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Russell Newton: And it's funny on if

you come back at the other way from it.

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You take, characters in the book

like Carter Page or Papadopoulos,

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who are many steps removed from

Trump, but a rumor about them

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is attributed directly to Trump.

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Everything, you know, Hillary's level,

shield, and I, whatever the top is, you

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know, those label all shield somebody

and they could say, they said it, they

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said, and pointed it down the line.

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But when you're coming from the media, if

Carter Page said something, that's a quote

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from Trump is how they wanna present it.

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Hans: That is such a good point.

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I think I might be mistaken,

Matt, I think Carter Page has

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never, ever met Donald Trump.

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certainly not during the campaign.

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They had this one meeting where he

was not in attendance and that was it.

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and George Papadopoulos met him

exactly once, but not one-on-one

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or whatever at a, in a big room.

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At a big table.

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Russell Newton: right.

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Hans: and you're so right that.

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the media uses this one.

519

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There, there was a photo of that

table where there's Papadopoulos

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somewhere at the end, and then Trump

is on the other end, and there's

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all these other people there.

522

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But, supposedly Papadopoulos is like

Trump's best friend and, they're

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coordinating everything and so on.

524

:

It is just, it's absolutely laughable,

but that's what they got away with.

525

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Russell Newton: Armenian who is

even further removed with a, a real

526

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estate dealing with 10 or 15 years

prior or five, 10 years prior.

527

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Just happened to be in

a, in a, in a picture.

528

:

Yeah.

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It, the selective editing and

selective reporting that, mainstream

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press, does is, is really misleading

and, and probably purposely so,

531

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Hans: Absolutely, they'll always revert

back to, a position where they don't

532

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have to give up the overall narrative.

533

:

as you say, okay, maybe there

was no collusion, but there was

534

:

definitely interference and,

And that's where we are now.

535

:

And the, there are, a few things

that they grasp and hold onto.

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I'd say probably the most important

one is this, the story that the Russian

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government hacked the Democratic

National Committee June of 20.

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16.

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supposedly the hacking started,

this, whatever happened

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there, earlier in April, may.

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But, anyway, in June of 2016 is when

it supposed, when the Washington

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Post reported about it, I write

about this in the book and, then,

543

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we were off to the races in terms

of the Russian government did this.

544

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To this day, there is no evidence.

545

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Absolutely no evidence.

546

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No evidence has ever been

presented that actually happened.

547

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And they run with the narrative.

548

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They stick with the narrative.

549

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So they say, maybe the part about

Trump wasn't true, but the Russians did

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that and they did that to help Trump.

551

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They're still trying

to hold onto that part.

552

:

So as these things fall

apart, I think the.

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The one that will eventually fall apart

will be, and has been the whole of this

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year basically is the idea that they

did it to help Trump, which again, I

555

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talk about this in the book as well.

556

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It is just so ludicrous.

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No one in Moscow really thought

that Trump was gonna be president.

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Maybe there was a 10% chance

or something like that.

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Hillary was way ahead in the polls.

560

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people just need to go

back to October of:

561

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Just go back in your own minds as to,

this Access Hollywood tape that came out

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Russell Newton: Mm-hmm.

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Hans: said all these, misogynistic things.

564

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The media wa was completely apoplectic,

obviously, as they always are.

565

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But the thing is, Hillary was

way ahead in the polls and

566

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jumped on that weekend as well.

567

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And everyone was saying Trump is done.

568

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Trump is buried.

569

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Even his own party, they were discussing.

570

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Getting rid of him and having him

replaced with Pence or whoever.

571

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many people were talking about that.

572

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So the idea that somehow in Moscow

there were people who knew that none

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of this would come, true and instead,

Trump would emerge victorious.

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how could Putin influence whether Hillary

was gonna campaign in Michigan or not?

575

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Which he decided not to, or

Wisconsin, or which he decided not to.

576

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it's got nothing to do with Putin.

577

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So the idea that Putin had some

special insight is just so ludicrous.

578

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Obviously he didn't do it to, if he did

do anything, he didn't do it to help,

579

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Trump win because that was just such a

long shot that it, if anything, and this

580

:

is some of the new information that's

come out that is actually like new that we

581

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couldn't have uncovered because it's based

on, intel that just wasn't available.

582

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They were actually, if anything,

they were holding back because they

583

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thought, she's gonna be president so

we better have some, dirt or whatever.

584

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That's probably the wrong word, but,

we better have some stories about her,

585

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if and when she becomes president.

586

:

I think that's gonna fall by the wayside.

587

:

But then we're still gonna probably

be stuck with the, they did something

588

:

and the something might be the, or

I think is gonna be the one that

589

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they keep coming back to, which

is the Russia hacked the DNC.

590

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That's, that's the story.

591

:

Again, there is no evidence for that.

592

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Now, I don't, I'm not gonna sit here and

tell you Russia did not hack the DSE.

593

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I don't think they did.

594

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But what I can say for certain is

there is no evidence that they did.

595

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That's where we stand.

596

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And in fact, anytime that anyone

who said that, that's what happened.

597

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For instance, a company called

CrowdStrike, that did the, the sort

598

:

of the IT work for the DNC, they said

in:

599

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the CEO of CrowdStrike was later called

a year or two later was called to

600

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Congress to testify about what he knew.

601

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And he said, I don't know anything.

602

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as soon as he was under oath,

it wasn't Russia, or at least

603

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he couldn't say anything at all.

604

:

So that's the thing.

605

:

Unfortunately, I, it's probably gonna

take a long time to get rid of this in

606

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the broad public's perception altogether,

and we may never get rid of it.

607

:

there will be lasting damage in terms

of Russia did something in:

608

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If we just distill it down, down

to those few words, Russia did

609

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something in 2016, we might never,

ever be able to, transcend that.

610

:

Russell Newton: And even along those

lines, the same thing we talked

611

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about with the separation before.

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Russian hackers did not

mean the Russian government.

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Hans: Yeah.

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Russell Newton: If they, you know,

if there was just because someone

615

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from Russia might have hacked

something, or Belarus, I should say.

616

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You know, we don't need any real

facts, we just need some allegations.

617

:

Some organizations feel that

they can throw out there with

618

:

the things that are coming out.

619

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Now, your book, again, the, the things

tsi, Gabbard and, and Cash Patel are,

620

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are putting out into the public maybe

a two-pronged question, and this

621

:

draws back on your legal, background.

622

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What do you think?

623

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Well, let's do it the other way.

624

:

What do you hope Will, will

come of this as far as,

625

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repercussions for those involved.

626

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And what do you think?

627

:

Is it going to make a

splash and then go away?

628

:

Will it, will there be some very,

high level people that are taken

629

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to task for what they've done?

630

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Hans: I'm not confident that's

631

:

Russell Newton: I.

632

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Hans: happen.

633

:

we had some, hope earlier this year

where, they released, as I said, they

634

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released one or two new things and we

touched upon some of them here today, but.

635

:

in overall, they just confirmed

what we already knew, but that's

636

:

still valuable because you have

the US government confirming

637

:

that the whole thing was a hoax.

638

:

that's a big thing.

639

:

That's a big step to

640

:

Russell Newton: Right.

641

:

Hans: so

642

:

Russell Newton: Yeah.

643

:

Hans: And so with that came the hope

that the people in the US government

644

:

who were responsible for that,

who've now been exposed, and again,

645

:

this is not just Tulsi Gabbard or

Cash Patel saying it, they actually

646

:

released the underlying documents,

647

:

Russell Newton: Okay.

648

:

Hans: and primary source documents.

649

:

It's always the most important one.

650

:

The actual, FBI three oh twos, which

is the interview reports or the

651

:

actual, intelligence that came out,

verbatim and what, or whatever it is.

652

:

They released it all.

653

:

there's hundreds and hundreds

of new pages of stuff which.

654

:

Absolutely unambiguously shows that US

government people, high level officials,

655

:

including the FBI director and the CIA

director were involved in this plot, in,

656

:

in advancing this plot against Trump.

657

:

that is, there's incontrovertible

evidence of that.

658

:

So of course when that happened,

people were like, oh, great,

659

:

now we're gonna see arrests.

660

:

Now we're gonna see all these things.

661

:

And it's been a few months

and we haven't seen anything.

662

:

And in fact, recently, in August, a

very important deadline passed, in,

663

:

in, unfortunately, in, in the legal

system, or fortunately, there's two

664

:

sides to this, but there are time limits

665

:

Russell Newton: Right.

666

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Hans: new usual time limit for

a federal law is five years.

667

:

Five years after something happened,

you can no longer charge someone.

668

:

Russell Newton: Okay.

669

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Hans: misconception about this that

some people think, oh, it's five

670

:

years after you found out about it.

671

:

so the five years would start ticking now,

but unfortunately that's not how it works.

672

:

The five years start ticking

from when it happened.

673

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Even if you never ever found out about it.

674

:

Now, some crimes are not

part of that, time limit.

675

:

Again, there's all kinds of historic

reasons for why there is a time limit

676

:

and why some are covered and some most

are covered and some are not, and so on.

677

:

But generally speaking, unfortunately,

the stuff we're talking about here,

678

:

and I know people throw out treason and

whatever, but let's just be realistic

679

:

in terms of what happened here.

680

:

You're pretty much stuck to the

five year time in, in some form.

681

:

I know there's nuances and people are

gonna say, but the five years can reset.

682

:

And yeah, I know all that, but it's just,

we had a very important five year deadline

683

:

that just passed, which was, John Brennan,

the CIA director, had given a very

684

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long interview, to the special counsel

five years ago, full of falsehoods.

685

:

That would've been a fantastic, basis

to charge 'em upon, and they just

686

:

let that day pass without anything.

687

:

Now again, some people are gonna say.

688

:

it doesn't matter, they're gonna

find something else and yeah, the

689

:

hope springs eternal and so on.

690

:

But if you let something so important

pass, then that does tell me

691

:

that, maybe this is not as real as

serious as some people, hope it is.

692

:

The other thing people say, as

I just alluded to, they'll say,

693

:

oh, you can reset the clock.

694

:

Yeah, you can find ways of doing that.

695

:

but it just makes things so much

more difficult and it gives the other

696

:

side, the defendant so many possible

defenses to getting the case thrown out.

697

:

It just makes things

completely complicated.

698

:

So go with the easy, straightforward

thing, which is bring the charges within

699

:

five years and they fail to do that.

700

:

So to answer your question,

I'm very pessimistic that we're

701

:

gonna see actual accountability.

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:

Russell Newton: Yeah, yeah.

703

:

Sadly that's, the way of it.

704

:

So many times.

705

:

I wanna ask a question, a very general

question from the devil's advocate

706

:

side of if we still have listeners

that are not, supportive of your work

707

:

or still want to disbelieve your work.

708

:

I, I don't know if you've done

many podcasts with, People that

709

:

disagree or try to argue the points

with you, but what are some of the

710

:

primary things that people use?

711

:

if you're willing to share these

or if you want to answer this

712

:

question, if not, just say so.

713

:

that people use to argue against

the things you brought forth.

714

:

Do they accuse you of things?

715

:

Do they, do they have other

information they hint toward

716

:

or have, will make available?

717

:

Just outta curiosity.

718

:

Do you have a lot of people that

are pushing back against the

719

:

information you're presenting?

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:

Hans: So a couple of points on that.

721

:

No, not many.

722

:

I, to be honest, I can think of

one group of people right now and

723

:

I'll get to them here in a moment.

724

:

But in terms of just, broad

audience or whatever, no.

725

:

Russell Newton: Okay.

726

:

Hans: and again, I think that's probably

because everything is footnoted.

727

:

So if,

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:

Russell Newton: Yes.

729

:

Hans: that anything is

730

:

Russell Newton: Okay.

731

:

Hans: just go and.

732

:

Check out what it says in the footnote.

733

:

and then I will take you

to the source document.

734

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And then you'll see that whatever I

quoted or said or whatever is true.

735

:

that's actually what happened.

736

:

funny because there was a group of

people who were a little bit incredulous.

737

:

I don't, I hope they don't mind me

saying this about some of the claims.

738

:

And then they, did come back to me

and wanted me, even though there was

739

:

a footnote, they still wanted me to.

740

:

Okay, just confirm are you really sure?

741

:

Is this really true?

742

:

and that's actually the original editors.

743

:

Of the print version.

744

:

So when they did

745

:

Russell Newton: Oh really?

746

:

Hans: original editing round, there was

like, for instance, some of the Hunter

747

:

Biden stuff, what he got away with.

748

:

some of that is detailed in

the book because there's some

749

:

overlap between these Russiagate

and Hunter Biden investigations.

750

:

And, there's also some overlap

between the Ukraine situation, Ukraine

751

:

impeachment situation, and Russia.

752

:

Again, it's all, of the people

involved are the same people over

753

:

and you, so you have this overlap.

754

:

There, there are parts in the book

where I talk about the Hunter Biden

755

:

situation and what he was up to and.

756

:

I remember that.

757

:

I was like, no, that, that

couldn't have happened.

758

:

no.

759

:

And I was like, are you

really sure that is true?

760

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And it really was.

761

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Or, some of the, the text messages,

the incriminating text messages from

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some of these FBI personnel, people

have heard about the obvious ones where

763

:

they, talk about, will stop Trump.

764

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Peter struck one of the FBI investigators,

the lead investigator, texted that.

765

:

there's also some that maybe have

not been, shared as much in the

766

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media and, people haven't heard.

767

:

And then I got some questions on that,

like that's not, did they really say that?

768

:

Another big one, that's been, that

actually was confirmed this year by, Tulsi

769

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Gabbard, but that's already in the book.

770

:

That's all in the book is the one where

all these people that, by all these

771

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people, President Obama, John Brennan,

CIH Chief, James Comey, Peter Struck,

772

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whom I just mentioned, all these big hon

shows, leading the charge against Trump.

773

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They actually knew that this

was a clin Hillary Clinton

774

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campaign hoax the whole thing.

775

:

They knew that at the time, back in 2016.

776

:

again, I described in the

book Why and how and so on.

777

:

And, anyway, I know I got, I remember

I got, several questions on that one.

778

:

no, they couldn't have known.

779

:

That's not possible.

780

:

And they did know.

781

:

Yeah, that, that's it's funny, isn't

it, that the people who are supposed to,

782

:

work with you on the book, they're, they

were the ones who were, the most kind of,

783

:

incredulous about some of these claims.

784

:

But, everything checked out.

785

:

the other thing I should mention here,

it's to do with your question is.

786

:

supporters or supporters

of Trump generally.

787

:

some people are not happy with the title

or have questions about the title, so

788

:

that's probably the, if there's negative

comments, it's usually about the title,

789

:

Russell Newton: Hmm.

790

:

Hans: of course people remember

swift boating as something

791

:

Russell Newton: Right.

792

:

Hans: done.

793

:

to, John Kerry in the 2004

presidential campaign, not by his

794

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opponent, president Bush, 43, but

by a group of ve Vietnam veterans.

795

:

And what they accused, Kerry

of is, basically, in Vietnam.

796

:

he was a commander of a swift boat and,

he got some purple hearts and things

797

:

like that, and they said there was, his

stories weren't true and, getting, a lot

798

:

of detail to what happened back in, 2004.

799

:

And I guess some of it stuck because,

he came back from Vietnam and he

800

:

was a big anti-Vietnam protestor.

801

:

He was one of the leaders and

so they, they made that stick.

802

:

Now, personally, I never.

803

:

I don't know what, which part of

that is true or not, or whatever,

804

:

Russell Newton: Okay.

805

:

Hans: as far as John Kerry is

concerned, just my personal view is.

806

:

actually went there, he actually

got shot at, so whatever you think

807

:

of the guy that actually happened,

he was a commander on a swift boat.

808

:

He was in these, I've been

to Vietnam many times.

809

:

I've been to those areas.

810

:

Those are horrific areas.

811

:

If you're on a tiny little boat and

you're being shot at, that's no fun.

812

:

So he did that.

813

:

can hate the guy or not, or whatever.

814

:

That's what actually happened.

815

:

But the point about the ni, the name

Swift boating and because he was the

816

:

swift boat, commander back there is.

817

:

the, I'm the, I didn't make it

into a kind of a negative thing.

818

:

It's the Hillary Clinton campaign

themselves who did that because they

819

:

called their campaign against Trump,

the:

820

:

Trump to, smear Trump as, as, as

Putin's puppet, as for Russia collusion.

821

:

Just in as, as simple as possible, the

Swift Build project, the Clinton campaign

822

:

Swift Build project, which they themselves

called their own swift build project, to

823

:

smear Trump as, colluding with Russia.

824

:

They came up with that.

825

:

So obviously they were using the

word in a sense of we're gonna

826

:

come up with this story that smears

Trump, and I think they were.

827

:

Thinking back to 2004, where they thought,

Hey, our buddy John Kerry, he got smeared

828

:

and now we're gonna do it to, to Trump.

829

:

So to, in my view, I see where people

say, okay, swift building is something

830

:

that, Kerry deserved it or whatever.

831

:

I know, I don't necessarily

agree, but I see where these

832

:

people are coming from, it's the.

833

:

Clinton campaign who

themselves called it that.

834

:

They admitted it.

835

:

They admitted that it's a smear.

836

:

So the what's behind the name

is that it's by, by design.

837

:

a fabrication by design, A plot

against Trump, by the Clinton

838

:

people who called it that.

839

:

It's, they came up with the name.

840

:

Now the working title was

actually Swift boating Trump.

841

:

But then somewhere along the line,

somewhere in chapter 8, 9, 10,

842

:

whatever, I was like, you know what?

843

:

This is really much bigger

844

:

Russell Newton: It's bigger than that.

845

:

Hans: is,

846

:

Russell Newton: Hmm.

847

:

Hans: Swift voted America, not just Trump.

848

:

So then that the title changed.

849

:

Russell Newton: And it is fascinating,

850

:

Hans: I.

851

:

Russell Newton: when you look at it in

the light of why you changed the title.

852

:

Just the, the possibility of the real

long-term damage on a global scale

853

:

just because of now, difficulties with

Russia and distrust and so many things.

854

:

you know, we, we blame Russia for

so long about these nebulous things

855

:

and diplomacy falls apart and things

change and, it, it really is sobering.

856

:

let me ask you one last question.

857

:

this is a podcast in, in

my, early stages of podcast.

858

:

Of course, you read and they say,

always finish out your podcast

859

:

with a call to action, you know, or

have your call to action in there.

860

:

And when I read the book, I find a

couple of personal things that I think

861

:

are important, but I'd like to, I,

I'm gonna throw these out there, but

862

:

if you have calls to action what you

would like people to do because of

863

:

this book, or if there is actions they

wanna take, I mean, when I read it, I

864

:

realize I need to think critically about.

865

:

The material that I take in when I

read a headline or see an article, you

866

:

know, if, if people early on in this

process had pushed back and said, what's

867

:

real, what's factual things would've

turned out differently, most likely.

868

:

you know, so that, that's one thing

I see is that we need to pay more

869

:

attention to what's being reported to

us as consumers and make sure that what

870

:

we're believing is actually believable.

871

:

what other do you have?

872

:

Other, do you agree with that?

873

:

For one, do you have other calls to

action that you would like people

874

:

to implement because of your book?

875

:

Hans: Yeah, no, I, I

completely agree with you.

876

:

I think we have.

877

:

The, I have a broad one, but I also, let

me start off with a very specific one.

878

:

I don't know how much, any one person

can do, other than President Trump

879

:

himself, but, maybe broadly something

can be done and that is that there are

880

:

still people, victims out of this thing.

881

:

We talked about Serge million, we

talked about many of these other people.

882

:

There are still people still currently,

dealing with the fallout from this.

883

:

there's one guy, who, we haven't talked

about, general Flynn, for instance.

884

:

he,

885

:

Russell Newton: Hmm, that's right.

886

:

Hans: story upon himself.

887

:

He actually has a great new movie

out, so people can watch that

888

:

and see what that story is about.

889

:

I talk about his story in a book and

detail that as well, but he had a client

890

:

and the client was, was targeted, by these

Russia collusion hoaxes, simply in order

891

:

to get him to say bad stuff about Flynn.

892

:

And then they could have used that to get

Flynn to say bad stuff about Trump, and

893

:

that client is still under indictment.

894

:

Mueller indictment, special Council,

Robert Mueller, the guy who is now,

895

:

declared senile and supposedly never ran

anything and the whole thing was a hoax.

896

:

they still have, that case going.

897

:

They have another case going to do with

what we talked earlier about these, this

898

:

DNC hack, which they're using that case

to hold up freedom information and so on.

899

:

This is a case against a bunch

of Russians, who you know, again,

900

:

there's no evidence that did

anything, but they hold out.

901

:

They say, oh, we got an open case here.

902

:

Therefore we cannot do freedom

of information and then

903

:

we cannot find out stuff.

904

:

On a specific level, I would love for

all these cases, these Mueller era cases,

905

:

the holes, all these Russiagate collusion

hoax cases, just to be terminated.

906

:

DOJ should just end these cases today.

907

:

On a broad level, I'm

completely with you here.

908

:

we had the rush.

909

:

We had the Iraq WMD hoax, which by

the way ran along very similar lines.

910

:

They also had their own

Igor Dan Chenko back then.

911

:

a guy called Curve

Ball, that was his, his.

912

:

code name and he supposedly he's,

he'd seen the WMD and he'd seen all

913

:

these trucks with the, these mobile

WMD, labs and all this kind of stuff.

914

:

It was all made up.

915

:

It was totally made up.

916

:

And then after that, they, after

that whole fiasco, they said,

917

:

we're gonna do better next time.

918

:

And.

919

:

They didn't do better.

920

:

They did it again in Russiagate.

921

:

yeah, I think it's fool me once,

fool me twice, kind of thing.

922

:

And now we're at three times

923

:

Russell Newton: Right.

924

:

Hans: not buy into hoaxes.

925

:

should just be much, much more,

careful with what they're told and

926

:

just circumspect about all these

things, which I think they are.

927

:

I think we've really

turned a corner in general.

928

:

people are far more skeptical of anything

the government says, than they were.

929

:

Back in the WMD days and

also since, since Russiagate.

930

:

So I think we're getting there.

931

:

But that would be, to me,

that's the big takeaway.

932

:

I.

933

:

Russell Newton: Myself included,

far more skeptical of what.

934

:

The government, what the

press, what anybody says.

935

:

and part of that comes with age, which

I've got plenty of, but, yeah, it's, so

936

:

many things that we didn't get to today.

937

:

I, I appreciate your time.

938

:

You know, we didn't get to talk about the

FISA Court or the Fisk and, the FISAs.

939

:

we didn't get to talk about

the Hillary Clinton's emails.

940

:

so many things that are talked

about in depth in the book.

941

:

The listeners and, and readers really

need to pick up a copy of this, this

942

:

book is endorsed by General Flynn,

who you mentioned a few moments ago,

943

:

a great review by him about your book.

944

:

so that's a powerful

endorsement there, I believe.

945

:

ladies and gentlemen, listeners,

once again, this has been Hans Monka,

946

:

author of Swift Voting America.

947

:

The book came out just

within the last month or so.

948

:

Am I correct, Hans?

949

:

Hans: The audible version.

950

:

Yeah, that's correct.

951

:

Russell Newton: Yeah.

952

:

so, Books available on

Amazon, other booksellers.

953

:

The audio book is available on

Amazon, audible, iTunes, and

954

:

probably other, other fronts as well.

955

:

Hans, you have a website, hans monka.com

956

:

that listeners might want

to visit to learn more about

957

:

you and more about the book.

958

:

You also have a social media presence.

959

:

on XI looked at YouTube, YouTube channel.

960

:

That was one of the

questions I had earlier.

961

:

It looked like about the time

you started your research here.

962

:

Your YouTube channel, didn't get the

attention because you changed your focus.

963

:

It looked like you were doing a

lot of legal coursework, and then

964

:

you moved into this, researching.

965

:

I was hoping to find some things on

YouTube, on your YouTube channel,

966

:

but there's so many interviews

and so much good information with

967

:

you and about you, and about this.

968

:

I hope it, I hope it opens some eyes and

has some effect on the everyday person.

969

:

And the closing comment, if I could

say this, you mentioned, you know,

970

:

how much is there one person can do?

971

:

I think your book is an indication of

that one person that decided to take

972

:

this on, to find the truth, determined to

find the truth in an honest and reputable

973

:

way, and not present a spin about it.

974

:

You've done that, you've

put it out in the public.

975

:

It's getting, I hope.

976

:

The attention it deserves and, in

the minds of the readers and the

977

:

listeners, I hope it will have the

effect, that it should have on us.

978

:

Hans, again, thanks for being

with us and, do you have any final

979

:

words that you wanna share with

our listeners before we close out?

980

:

Hans: First of all, thanks for

having me on, but also thank

981

:

you for, reading the book.

982

:

it's weird when you have your own, I've

read the book probably 10 times in my

983

:

own voice because I had to do editing.

984

:

you read it again and

again, as you go through it.

985

:

And, so this is the first time I

heard it, someone else, speaking it.

986

:

And it was, you really brought it to life.

987

:

You have a fantastic voice and, yeah.

988

:

Thanks for that.

989

:

that was amazing.

990

:

Russell Newton: Thank you.

991

:

Well, it's written in

such a way that it's easy.

992

:

to come across as relatable because

the, the language is, is there.

993

:

It's just, it.

994

:

The, the, your style of writing is

very approachable, very understandable.

995

:

And when you have great material,

it's, it's easy to present

996

:

it, in a, in a pleasing way.

997

:

So I'm glad you enjoyed it.

998

:

I hope our listeners will

as well check that out.

999

:

And, I guess that wraps us up for the day.

:

00:46:26,383 --> 00:46:27,283

We're right at an hour.

:

00:46:27,463 --> 00:46:28,813

Thank you for your time, Hans.

:

00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:31,843

I hope you have great success with

the book and with the audio book

:

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and, Maybe we'll speak again when

you have another book come out.

:

00:46:34,323 --> 00:46:35,733

I, I'll be looking forward to that.

:

00:46:35,814 --> 00:46:36,474

Hans: Love to do that.

:

00:46:36,474 --> 00:46:36,739

Thank you.

:

00:46:37,743 --> 00:46:38,043

Russell Newton: Great.

:

00:46:38,353 --> 00:46:41,683

thank you listeners for being with us on

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